John Marsden. Paul Barwise. Our John (R.I.P.) Me. Frank Jones
You can see who done all the running
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Eddy Lloyd
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Litherland United winning the Liverpool/Isle of Man 5 a side competition held at the Liverpool YMCA
John Marsden. Paul Barwise. Our John (R.I.P.) Me. Frank Jones
You can see who done all the running
John Marsden. Paul Barwise. Our John (R.I.P.) Me. Frank Jones
You can see who done all the running
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Elaine Goulding
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Eddy you and your brother John are very alike.
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Bianca Street, Bootle - moved to Canada 1982
Bianca Street, Bootle - moved to Canada 1982
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bob. b
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Little bit of reading on a Bootle lad.
It did Jimmy Payne no favours to be described as "the Merseyside Matthews". The Bootle-born Liverpool right winger was a high-quality performer, an enchanting dribbler who could thrill the Kop on his day, leaving a trail of dazed and confused would-be markers in his wake. But he was never remotely on a par with the extraordinary Stanley, who at his peak was deemed the best footballer in the world, and the younger man could have done without unrealistically raised expectations.
Payne touched his own prime midway through the 20th century, appearing for the Anfield Reds in the 1950 FA Cup final defeat by Arsenal, shortly before enjoying a trio of international outings on an England "B" tour of Europe. But it was his misfortune to be part of a Liverpool side on the threshold of a debilitating decline which would culminate in relegation to the Second Division.
The diminutive winger joined the Reds as an amateur in 1942 and turned professional in 1944, but did not make his senior entrance until September 1948, in a 1-0 home defeat by Bolton Wanderers. A month later he scored his first goal, a late equaliser against Chelsea at Anfield, and thereafter he became a regular, linking productively with his inside-right, Jack Balmer, and proving adept at picking out the penetrative runs of the Scottish powerhouse Billy Liddell on the opposite wing.
Payne contributed sparkily during Liverpool's progress to Wembley in 1950, scoring in the third-round replay victory over Blackburn Rovers and the fourth-round win against Exeter City, but in the final he could make little headway in his personal duel with the Welsh international full-back Walley Barnes as the Gunners prevailed 2-0. Still, his impressive work throughout the campaign earned him his international call-up and he had his backers for a full cap, but in an era when Matthews and Preston North End's majestic Tom Finney held sway, there were precious few England opportunities for other wide men.
At club level, though, Payne continued to thrive until an ill-judged temporary change of position dented his confidence. Initially he had been embraced by Liverpool fans as one of their own, winning respect for his physical bravery and acute football intelligence – he had an instinct for knowing the precise moment to deliver a cross or through-pass – as much as his array of ball skills.
However, when the new manager Don Welsh, seeking more creativity following a run of poor results midway through the 1951-52 season, switched him to inside-left, he began to attract flak from the terraces and stands. Payne lacked the stamina for the demanding box-to-box role, in which he was unable to take periodic breathers, as he could do when hogging the touchline, and although he was subsequently returned to the wing he was never again quite the same attacking force.
Meanwhile Liverpool were slowly sinking, to 17th place in the top flight in 1952-53, then to rock-bottom in 1953-54. During that calamitous season Payne missed a lot of games through injury, and there was also meaningful competition for his place from the younger Brian Jackson, who had been recruited from Leyton Orient.
In the Second Division Payne continued to be plagued by niggling fitness problems and shared right-wing duties with Jackson until he returned to the First Division with Everton, whom he had supported as a boy, in a £5,000 deal in April 1956. He had made 245 senior appearances and scored 42 goals for the Reds.
Sadly, injuries prevented any chance of a major impact at Goodison Park and in 1957 he retired at the premature age of 31 to work in the family newsagents in his native Bootle before becoming a hotelier in the Lake District. Payne left behind him memories of a worthy career, but also the nagging notion that he had never quite fulfilled the rich potential that had been evident in his early twenties.
James Bolcherson Payne, footballer: born Bootle, Merseyside 10 March 1926; played for Liverpool 1944-56, Everton 1956-57; married (one daughter, one son); died Kendal, Cumbria 22 January 2013.
It did Jimmy Payne no favours to be described as "the Merseyside Matthews". The Bootle-born Liverpool right winger was a high-quality performer, an enchanting dribbler who could thrill the Kop on his day, leaving a trail of dazed and confused would-be markers in his wake. But he was never remotely on a par with the extraordinary Stanley, who at his peak was deemed the best footballer in the world, and the younger man could have done without unrealistically raised expectations.
Payne touched his own prime midway through the 20th century, appearing for the Anfield Reds in the 1950 FA Cup final defeat by Arsenal, shortly before enjoying a trio of international outings on an England "B" tour of Europe. But it was his misfortune to be part of a Liverpool side on the threshold of a debilitating decline which would culminate in relegation to the Second Division.
The diminutive winger joined the Reds as an amateur in 1942 and turned professional in 1944, but did not make his senior entrance until September 1948, in a 1-0 home defeat by Bolton Wanderers. A month later he scored his first goal, a late equaliser against Chelsea at Anfield, and thereafter he became a regular, linking productively with his inside-right, Jack Balmer, and proving adept at picking out the penetrative runs of the Scottish powerhouse Billy Liddell on the opposite wing.
Payne contributed sparkily during Liverpool's progress to Wembley in 1950, scoring in the third-round replay victory over Blackburn Rovers and the fourth-round win against Exeter City, but in the final he could make little headway in his personal duel with the Welsh international full-back Walley Barnes as the Gunners prevailed 2-0. Still, his impressive work throughout the campaign earned him his international call-up and he had his backers for a full cap, but in an era when Matthews and Preston North End's majestic Tom Finney held sway, there were precious few England opportunities for other wide men.
At club level, though, Payne continued to thrive until an ill-judged temporary change of position dented his confidence. Initially he had been embraced by Liverpool fans as one of their own, winning respect for his physical bravery and acute football intelligence – he had an instinct for knowing the precise moment to deliver a cross or through-pass – as much as his array of ball skills.
However, when the new manager Don Welsh, seeking more creativity following a run of poor results midway through the 1951-52 season, switched him to inside-left, he began to attract flak from the terraces and stands. Payne lacked the stamina for the demanding box-to-box role, in which he was unable to take periodic breathers, as he could do when hogging the touchline, and although he was subsequently returned to the wing he was never again quite the same attacking force.
Meanwhile Liverpool were slowly sinking, to 17th place in the top flight in 1952-53, then to rock-bottom in 1953-54. During that calamitous season Payne missed a lot of games through injury, and there was also meaningful competition for his place from the younger Brian Jackson, who had been recruited from Leyton Orient.
In the Second Division Payne continued to be plagued by niggling fitness problems and shared right-wing duties with Jackson until he returned to the First Division with Everton, whom he had supported as a boy, in a £5,000 deal in April 1956. He had made 245 senior appearances and scored 42 goals for the Reds.
Sadly, injuries prevented any chance of a major impact at Goodison Park and in 1957 he retired at the premature age of 31 to work in the family newsagents in his native Bootle before becoming a hotelier in the Lake District. Payne left behind him memories of a worthy career, but also the nagging notion that he had never quite fulfilled the rich potential that had been evident in his early twenties.
James Bolcherson Payne, footballer: born Bootle, Merseyside 10 March 1926; played for Liverpool 1944-56, Everton 1956-57; married (one daughter, one son); died Kendal, Cumbria 22 January 2013.
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Ernie Jackson. (Bunty)
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When I saw your 'Bootle Lad' quote I immediately thought of a man who I am proud to call my cousin and who is a member of this site using that title.
When I played for Winifred Sports (Not St Winifreds) all those years ago our little mascot was called Ray Mears. I felt reasonable successful when I signed for Liverpool but this was small fry compared to our Ray.
As he grew up he also played in the JOC but became disenchanted with the UK weather and, as a single man, decided to emigrate to New Zealand with a group of pals. By the time he boarded the ship they had all bottled out and he travelled down under alone to make a new life. He was only about 21 at the time.
Although initially alone Ray settled well, became a family man, and achieved full international status when chosen to play for his new country, New Zealand.
He earned several full caps but his modesty remains and he relates little to these achievements.
I wonder what sporting heights he would have achieved here if he had not taken that fateful cruise to a new land?
When I played for Winifred Sports (Not St Winifreds) all those years ago our little mascot was called Ray Mears. I felt reasonable successful when I signed for Liverpool but this was small fry compared to our Ray.
As he grew up he also played in the JOC but became disenchanted with the UK weather and, as a single man, decided to emigrate to New Zealand with a group of pals. By the time he boarded the ship they had all bottled out and he travelled down under alone to make a new life. He was only about 21 at the time.
Although initially alone Ray settled well, became a family man, and achieved full international status when chosen to play for his new country, New Zealand.
He earned several full caps but his modesty remains and he relates little to these achievements.
I wonder what sporting heights he would have achieved here if he had not taken that fateful cruise to a new land?
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bob. b
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Ernie that's fantastic about Ray. you and him made it to a high standard wish you could give us some more history on you both.
Ernie that is why this site is so interesting we find out more about people that would be lost.in time.
Thank you so much Ernie regards Bob b.
Ernie that is why this site is so interesting we find out more about people that would be lost.in time.
Thank you so much Ernie regards Bob b.
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Eddy Lloyd
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Ernie I remember Ray and his family they lived across the road from us on Knowsley Road I was a little Street urchin and looked up to Ray and the other older lads, Ron Nixon, Dave Mcculloch, Etc learning my football and cricket skills from them.
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Ernie Jackson. (Bunty)
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Bob.
Everyone knows I wrote an autobiographical book and it has turned out reasonably successful. The strange thing is that there is nothing whatsoever in the book regarding football yet, like all BB's, it was a very big part of our young lives.
Funny thing is that following a serious injury I took up refereeing and was actually better at that than I had been as a player. At least it got me on to all the major grounds in the North of England and I would never have been good enough to do that as a player and at the end of one season I actually officiated in eight different finals in the Manchester area.
Eddie.
You mention that Ray was older....how does that make me feel as Ray thinks of me as being older. Just a real silly old bugger I suppose.
I remember refereeing a reserve game at Anfield and mentioning to their trainer Ronnie Moran that I was at school with him and he was called Icky Moran back in those days. He was amazed and said " Bloody Ell. I can't be as old as you" and also denied he was ever called "Icky".
The Mears family have diminished somewhat as both Rays sisters, Norma and Sandra, have sadly passed away during the last year.
Everyone knows I wrote an autobiographical book and it has turned out reasonably successful. The strange thing is that there is nothing whatsoever in the book regarding football yet, like all BB's, it was a very big part of our young lives.
Funny thing is that following a serious injury I took up refereeing and was actually better at that than I had been as a player. At least it got me on to all the major grounds in the North of England and I would never have been good enough to do that as a player and at the end of one season I actually officiated in eight different finals in the Manchester area.
Eddie.
You mention that Ray was older....how does that make me feel as Ray thinks of me as being older. Just a real silly old bugger I suppose.
I remember refereeing a reserve game at Anfield and mentioning to their trainer Ronnie Moran that I was at school with him and he was called Icky Moran back in those days. He was amazed and said " Bloody Ell. I can't be as old as you" and also denied he was ever called "Icky".
The Mears family have diminished somewhat as both Rays sisters, Norma and Sandra, have sadly passed away during the last year.
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Eddy Lloyd
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Yes Ernie I know about the girls I had a crush on Sandra both lovely girls rip
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bob. b
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Found this thanks to Ernie.
Raymond Mears is a former association football player who represented New Zealand at international level.
Mears scored on his full All Whites debut in a 3-5 loss to Australia on 25 November 1967[1] and ended his international playing career with 10 A-international caps and 3 goals to his credit,[2][3] his final cap an appearance in a 0-2 loss to Israel on 1 October 1969.[1]
Little bit of History
Raymond Mears is a former association football player who represented New Zealand at international level.
Mears scored on his full All Whites debut in a 3-5 loss to Australia on 25 November 1967[1] and ended his international playing career with 10 A-international caps and 3 goals to his credit,[2][3] his final cap an appearance in a 0-2 loss to Israel on 1 October 1969.[1]
Little bit of History
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fatboyjoe90
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Hiya Bob, I don’t know if this photo has been posted before on here, if it has let me know and I’ll delete it. 
Seaforth Fellowship Football Team Bootle J.O.C. League 1950's
One of the top teams in the J.O.C. winning the league many times, also Major Trophies
The late "Chick" Heath seated 1st left on the front row was the youngest player to play for Everton (15yrs of age) the match was against Stoke City, May 20th 1945, Everton won 3-2 and finished runners-up in the wartime league.
Chick was also a youth International 1946/47 for the N.A.B.C. he was chosen from Litherland Boys Club, he won two caps for England. In December 1946 and January, April 1947 he played for Liverpool County Football Association.
Seated also on the front row is "Chicks" two brothers, Jake Heath (4th from left) and the late Eddie Heath at the end. Johnny Driscoll (standing at the end of the second row) was the Trainer. Bill Charlton (centre of row) the Goalkeeper.
Seaforth Fellowship Football Team Bootle J.O.C. League 1950's
One of the top teams in the J.O.C. winning the league many times, also Major Trophies
The late "Chick" Heath seated 1st left on the front row was the youngest player to play for Everton (15yrs of age) the match was against Stoke City, May 20th 1945, Everton won 3-2 and finished runners-up in the wartime league.
Chick was also a youth International 1946/47 for the N.A.B.C. he was chosen from Litherland Boys Club, he won two caps for England. In December 1946 and January, April 1947 he played for Liverpool County Football Association.
Seated also on the front row is "Chicks" two brothers, Jake Heath (4th from left) and the late Eddie Heath at the end. Johnny Driscoll (standing at the end of the second row) was the Trainer. Bill Charlton (centre of row) the Goalkeeper.
Cheers Joe.
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bernie johno
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bootle triangle football team pic and this is what was on the back
pic courtesy of gegsy horan. not sure if spelt correct
hood st ,norton st, spenser st ,